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Thursday, October 18 2007

Bad News From the Netherlands

A project sets out to prove that any country can be made to look like a pariah. See HonestReporting's latest communique: Bad News From the Netherlands

 

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While there's no doubt spin can tarnish a country, I don't think it's fair to equate the Netherlands to Israel here.

Yes, Israel does many good things, but the fact remains that the country has inflicted systemic punishment on certain ethnic groups for both real and perceived offenses. Honest reporting in this case means showcasing the good *and* the bad, not just trying to downplay the bad.

Hats off, Honest Reporting!
You are the few ones who write about the konflict here as "Arab - Israeli" and not the opposite. Even the Jerusalem Post's articles mention successively the "Israeli Arab" problem.

Would somebody explain to the World's public, that the conflict is initiated for more than 100 years by the Arabs and not inversely?

As a Dutch citizen who frequently visits Israel & time and time again is stupified by the biased nonsens, usually completely out of context, written and broadcasted by many Dutch media on Israel, I welcome your initiative. I think it is a brilliant idea. I hope, probably in vain, that your website will be visited by those journalists who pretend to be objective on Israel & that the lesson will not be lost on them.

Why don't we explore talking with & taking up the cause of the Palestinian Journalists, the Hamas campaign & generate some press on it?

More than a year ago we had a meeting with some visiting Palestinian journalists at the University of Colorado. The informal meeting over afternoon brunch was at THEIR request & we were very impressed with how open they were, despite some very tragic personal experiences in their own families.

I have been to Israel and had a meeting with a group of reporters. The reporter from the Washington Post flat told us that, they the reporters saw Israel as a big and stable country and the Palestinians as underdogs, that the media needed pictures that sale and a picture of a kid throwing rocks at a tank is one such. When I confronted him that this was not journalism and reeked of bias he got very angry and insisted that he was a professional, the meeting ended badly with me equating him to a professional smuck.

The journalist world has changed especially for American journalism, what used to be non profit newsrooms with big budgets to go out and get news, has become a profit center with its budget much reduced. This is why the so called analyst will endlessly argue over one story endlessly and not report on the rest of the news, meanwhile the news ticker from Reuters or other is scrolling at the bottom of the screen.

This leads to news agency's contracting journalist in Israel and elsewhere and they lean towards hiring Arab stringers, Arabs with a one point of view mind.

So you see how bias comes into your news from outright bias to points of view to hiring the enemy of Israel for what is basically propaganda.

Modern media is vulnerable, someone with the financial wherewithal to start an old fashion news organization to compete with them would recover many of their viewers.

Ben Gurion famously said that we will truly have our own Jewish State when we have our own Jewish thieves and our own Jewish prostitutes. So yeah, you can make any place look bad.

Dear Honest Reporting,

There is a simple reason why many countries keep their people ignorant of the real happenings. This way they do whatever the government says.
That's why there are no democracies in Arab countries.

I FIND IT INTERESTING THAT THE MUSLIM WORLD AND ALL ITS ARAB POPULATION KEEP TALKING ABOUT HOW ISREAL HAS TAKEN OVER AND IS OCCUPYING THEIR COUNTRY! to my limited knowledge there never has been a country named palestine. it was a arab poor, run down area of deset , of sand and rocks.IT WAS THE JEWS WHO TURNED IT GREEN WITH A RICH BUSTLING SOCIETY.IT TOOK JEWISH DEDICATION AND INCREDIABLE HARD WORK THAT TURNED IT INTO A DESIRABLE COUNTRY.

My country, Peru, suffered from the same evil media coverage for many years. Due to this biased information peruvians were seen as drug smuglers or terrorists anyplace they went. Fortunately for us that trend has stopped.

I visited Israel in 2004 and found it a very safe, very progressive and very wellcoming country.

It is true that biased news coverage can dammage severely the immage of a contry and its people. I sincerely congratulate your innitiative and wish you success in changing public opinion regarding this issue.

Great idea but why just Holland? I think the UK presents a much more deserving target. Their bias, both in the press and by the much vaunted B.B.C. is unbelievable. Maybe you could get a second site going devoted to the UK?

I was surprised that the image of tulips and windmills still held out.Digging back into schoolbook imageswe could add clogs and cheese bicycles and canals. However my first thought was to legalised drugs,the red light district and state approved suicide - euthanasia.

I agree 100% with Ploni - it's about time that a "Bad News from the UK" site be set up to counter the malevolent Biased Broadcasting Corporation.

Re: Negative Netherland News

There is a certain irony here, inasmuch as the Dutch, as a matter of historical fact, were among the very worst colonial powers, in terms of how they treated native populations. Perhaps, the very worst.

Nonetheless, almost no one these days seems to be aware of it; rather, it is the wooden shoes, tulips and windmills that come to mind instead of their hell holes like Batavia, whose residents--if memory serves correctly--welcomed the Japs as "liberators."

Indeed, who any longer is impolite enough to hold the Japs to account for the veritable "holocaust" they visited upon the Chinese? To paraphrase the late Romain Gary, perhaps we only continue to point fingers at the civilized Germans because they turned their victims into soap whereas the Japs were content with cold-blooded murder.

'Bad News from the Netherlands' is great, but those damn Dutch could make it a bit easier by expropriating other peoples land, kicking them out and then building Dutch settlements there.

To Michael,
You must be referring to the Arabs when you write about "expropriating other people's land, kicking them out and then building settlements."
Israel existed thousands of years ago. Most of the Jews were expelled by the Romans but many Jews stayed.
When Jews came back to their homeland it was, for the most part, unpopulated except for some wandering Arab tribes.
There weren't any indigenous Palestinian people because they have never existed.
Jews and anyone else who lived in Palestine, a Greek name and not Arabic, were called Palestinians.
Lebanon, Syria and Jordan are all parts of ancient Israel. So when you write about building settlements and stealing people's land it is in fact the Arabs that have been guilty of all that.
Don't you feel stupid now that I've shown you to be an ignoramus?

I'm embarrassed for you Daisy.

Who are the Palestinian people? Some of the "Palestinians" were driven out of their homes two years ago.
If you call yourself Honest Reporting, then don't give support to this appellation which is, itself, a lie.

Dear Michael,
Please point me to ONE Palestinian village or town that was evacuated for the construction of a Jewish settlement (post-1967). One such place - that's all I'm asking for.

It's amazing the number of people who define reality on the basis of their own ignorance.

Just one? Really, I could give you many more.

In March 1997 the people living in the Froush Beit Dajan area were evicted from their homes to make way for the expansion of the Hamra settlement.

Though it much more common for Israel to 'just' expropriate the farming lands and orchards surrounding Palestinan villages, robbing people of their livelihood, personal property and space for growth. But I guess that is OK with you.

Why the Netherlands?

Why not? Small, but far from unimportant, US-friendly country like Israel. The superior election system doesn't differ that much.

I'm just wondering whether the news about the 150,000 non-Muslims wasn't mentioned...

It's about time some one has taken up the Israel cause when it comes to distorted news. I am ashamed of the TV news as well the written news in the USA. As my country swings farther to the left and the liberals continue to be heard and take over so much of the press and Hollywood films and writers, the USA is doomed. Especially when Hillary and her leftist crowd get into the white house with slick zipper Willie pulling the strings. My opinion for what it's worth.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU,
Mr. Gerstenfeld !!!
I've lived in the US for 20 years but I deplore the way my native country Holland, seems to have gone down the drain.
You know what the problem with the Dutch is? We are NAIVE!!! We dream about world peace and are idiots.
(Yes, the US makes plenty of mistakes too, and yes, we are far more naive than the Arab nations are, too)

The Euro press shows a repetition of the 1936 years. "We" NEVER learn, DO we...???

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