ABC: Giving Airtime to Extremists

pearl's response is a pearl.

Posted by: bunuel at Mar 27, 2007 6:26:03 PM

ABCradio-AUSTRALIA SHAME ON YOU!

Posted by: john freiberg at Mar 27, 2007 8:41:40 PM

I don't understand why everyone has to acknowledge Israel. The UN created Israel and took the land of the Palestinians to give to Israel. Why should the Palestinians have to give up the land that their fathers had passed down to them? This is NOT, I repeat, NOT a Jewish thing. It's a matter of right and wrong. I can't blame them for being pissed off. If the UN decided to give Florida to the Cuban Immigrants, I would be pissed off. What makes it ok for Israel?

Posted by: Christine at Mar 27, 2007 9:34:59 PM

Why do people forget that the nazis were liberal socialists who became fascist nazis when they came to power?

What does socialism state about the lessors (class, money, job) and the elites? Doesn't it sound like fascism?

Posted by: Ron hopkins at Mar 27, 2007 9:40:07 PM

Christine,

Would it be ok for the UN to give Florida back to Spain or the Seminole Tribe of Florida?

Posted by: Svetcov at Mar 27, 2007 9:45:39 PM

Svetcov, Exactly how far back should one go to decide who land belongs to? If it was decided across to board and I lost, that's fine, I have a few castles waiting for me in Europe. But all I am saying is everyone tries to make this about religon. I have a very strong faith and I know my faith is based in that area. I am just trying to point out another side to this issue. People in the U.S. seem to think that if you speak about anything remotely negative about Isreal you are a Jew hater. I don't think that is the case. Many Christians live in the area too. I am just saying it is not as black and white as people want to make it.

Posted by: Christine at Mar 27, 2007 10:14:26 PM

Christine. The issue is that the Jews have existed in the land for millenia and there is plenty of evidence to support that. Those times they did not inhabit Jerusalem were directly due to ethnic cleansing. Their claim to the land is every bit as legitimate as that as the Palestinians, in fact more so. You mention Christians; the only country in the Middle East where the Christian population is not in decline is Israel. We also have a population of Arabs living at peace in Israel, where in the Arab countries can a Jew live at peace? With that in mind the best solution for all peoples is Israel.

Posted by: Paul McLaughlan at Mar 28, 2007 1:05:05 AM

Dear Christine,

Please check your history books. There was no Palestinian nation before 1948. There was British Mandate Palestine (and Palestine is a Roman name, btw) and everyone who lived there, including Jews, was considered a Palestinian.

UN General Assembly Resolution 181 from 1947, i.e. the Partition Plan, was the first time Palestinian Arabs were offerd an independent state. They rejected it and started a war with a declared goal to eliminate the Jewish presence in Palestine. They lost. Many of them still haven't given up this hope. I think they are making a big mistake by not accepting reality, because we are not going anywhere.

Posted by: Amit at Mar 28, 2007 1:16:56 AM

Palestine is a name coined by the Romans, to mimic the word Philistine. Palestine was inhabited by Jews 3,000 years before Christ and throughout the ages until modern day. The Arabs never really "lived" there, as they were bedouins, or wanderers, going from water hole to water hole, pitching their tents and then moving on again. When Mohammed decided to write the Qu'ran around 700 A.D. he also decided to kill all the infidels, and many Jews and Jewish enclaves were destroyed. The Jewish state is a balance, a compromise, restoring land rights to the Jews that were taken from them since Mohammed's emergence. Arabs are citizens of Israel, own businesses and land and have seats in the Israeli government. Are there any Jews that are members of governements elsewhere in the Middle East? I don't think so. Having Jews living in their midst and not living under Muslim rule is an affront to Islamic teaching...therein lies the conflict. Read the Qu'ran, study Middle Eastern history and maybe one day you'll understand.

Posted by: David Richards at Mar 28, 2007 1:26:50 AM

Christine, You are obviously a sincere and caring person. However, you along with countless other people apply one standard to Israel and another to the rest of the world - especially the Arabs. There is a factor that all of you ignore and that is the Biblical one. The land of Israel (maliciously referred to as Palestine) was given by God to the descendants of Jacob, while a much larger portion was given to the descendants of Ishmael, Esau, etc. Most of the oil wealth of the world is concentrated in Arabic (Islamic) lands. Yet, some of the poorest of the world are found under those regimes. Who raises a voice on their behalf?
You may not realize that every tribe and language group has a patch of land they call their own - the Jewish People have only the land of their forefathers - where do you suggest they should live?
Besides,it is a historical fact that there has never been a Palestinian Nation, or people, until Arafat invented the PLO - in fact, the Palestinians are not even Arab, but of European or Slavic origin, settled there by the Ottoman Turks.
Balance goes a long way to healthy dialogue!

Posted by: Elkanah at Mar 28, 2007 2:21:32 AM

From Christine: "I don't understand why everyone has to acknowledge Israel. The UN created Israel and took the land of the Palestinians to give to Israel. ..."

Wrong. The facts:

The earliest mention of the Holy Land as Palestine (probably in reference
to the Philistines, a non-Arabic, non-Semitic people from the Greek Isles
who invaded the southern coast of the Holy Land in the 2nd half of the
12th century B.C.E) is by the Greek historian, Herodotus (5th Century B.C.E).
In contrast, one of the earliest mention of the Holy Land as Israel is the
archaeological find the Mesha* Stele or Moabite Stone (9th Century B.C.E):
"As for Omri**, king of Israel, he humbled Moab*** many years . . ." [1]
The ancient Philistines, who hailed from the Aegean Sea area, are not related
racially or culturally to the Arabs, who only began referring to themselves as
"Palestinians" in the 1960s: [2]
-- 1) The Arab "Palestinians" speak Arabic; the ancient Philistines'
language is still being deciphered.
-- 2) The Arab "Palestinians" practice circumcision; the ancient
Philistines did not.
-- 3) The Arab "Palestinians" are monotheists whose god is called Allah;
the Philistines were polytheists, whose chief god was Dagan (Dagon).

[1] James B. Pritchard, ed., Ancient Near Eastern Texts Relating to the
Old Testament (Princeton University Press, 1969).
[2] "There is no such country! 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented!
There is no Palestine in the Bible. 'Palestine' is alien to us; it is the
Zionists who introduced it."
-- Arab leader, Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, before the Peel Commission,
whose 1937 report never refers to the Arab as 'Palestinians.'
* Mesha, king of Moab (an enemy of Israel).
** Omri, king of Israel mentioned in the Bible (1 KINGS 16:16)
*** Moab, ancient kingdom east of the Dead Sea, what is now part of Jordan.
So now you know: Israel precedes Palestine. The Land belongs to the Jews.

Posted by: Ben at Mar 28, 2007 2:26:27 AM

Christine,
Let's set the record straight. The UN did NOT take the land away from the Palestinians and give it to Israel. The UN took the land that was part of Jordan and under a British mandate and divided it into two countries, Israel and Palestine. Prior to that there was no Palestine, it was a British controlled territory. The day after the British moved out and Israel became a nation it was attacked by the surrounding Arab countries in an attempt to eliminate the new nation. Israel has been fighting for its life ever since. When the Arab countries drove a million Jews out of their countries who had been living there peacefully for thousands of years, Israel took them in. When Arabs were displaced during the war that started immediately after Israel became a nation, the Arab countries refused to take them in. Rather, they kept them as refugees to be used as political pawns. There never was a Palestine and there never were any Palestinians...

Posted by: Ilsaggio at Mar 28, 2007 3:49:17 AM

Christine,

The UN created Israel from land that had a majority Jewish population. It was bought from Arab land owners.

Posted by: Mark at Mar 28, 2007 5:36:58 AM

Christine,
Palestine? Israel? Canaan? Jordan? Transjordan? All different names for one land continuously inhabited for 3,500 years only by one people, the Jews formerly known as Israelites. Is it so strange that the natives of this country want to keep ancestral home? Are you so ignorant in history? Did you ever know that the Arabs never ruled "Palestine". Does the word Arab not endorse ethinicity of the natives of a particular land, namely Arabia? What gives Arab immigrants of a few generations the right to claim the land of those whose history with the same soil extends over four millennia? Did you know that the Heshamite kingdom of Jordan was presented by the British, to King Abdulla, the grandfather of the present monarch, from over 80% of then "Palestine" when he was overthrown by the ruling Saudi family in his native Arabia? And are you aware that the present population of "Jordan" consists 80% of the so called "Palestinian Arabs?" I emphasize the words "Palestinian Arabs" significantly distinguishing them from "Plaestinians". The only people who can rightfully be called Palestinians are Jews. And just for icing on the cake, did you know that the chief architect of so called Palestinian struggle Yasser Arafat, the Pope of Terrorism, was born in Egypt? It is evident you simply choose not to be factual. But that is an old Arab disease unfortunately infecting some apparent non-Arabs like you? Or perhaps despite a name like yours, Christine, you are Arab?

Posted by: Joe Ezekiel at Mar 28, 2007 6:43:27 AM

Christine

The 'Palestinians' have NEVER had sovereignty over the land now known as the 'occupied territories' or the 'disputed territories'

The Ottoman's held soveriegnty for 450 years...the British help sovereignty for 28 years.... The Egyptians and Jordanians held sovereignty for 19 years...and the Israelis have held it ever since.

You thought that it was Palestinian land is facetious.... while slome individual Palestinians held title to discreet plots of land... the entirity of the land has NEVER been soverieng to Palestinians.

Posted by: Dick Adler at Mar 28, 2007 9:27:13 AM

Christine,

The Creator of the world, therefore the only one to whom it truly belongs, says He has given the land to us, the Jews. That closes the case. If you have any misgivings about it, take it up with Him.

Posted by: ZionistYoungster at Mar 28, 2007 11:15:18 AM

Christine...surely you knew all this about the area?

Surely you know that that is the only Jewish land...and that the Muslims have at least 22 at this moment. And, they are working on most of Europe. They vote as a block but aren't considered as such. And, you, like some others don't understand why Israel must be protected by all of us non-Muslims?

I think you need to think.

Posted by: merle traub at Apr 1, 2007 8:26:58 PM

I think that the responses have stopped being about the article.
Let's see if we can get back on track.
Poster Ron Hopkins has it more right that the rest of the responses.
The Left of the world has successfully brainwashed most of the rest of us to believe that the NAZI Party was some extreme right-wing group.
The truth is that the NAZI's are/were the Nationalist-SOCIALIST Party (originally of Germany).
They are/were Left-Wingers.
The liberal left is not going to stop trying to be in power just because one of them got way too successful.
After all, all they have to do is revise history again, like they did after Hitler, to make it seem that it is all the Right-Wing's fault.

Posted by: Marvin Jackson at Apr 3, 2007 11:03:10 AM

Paul said....

Christine. The issue is that the Jews have existed in the land for millenia and there is plenty of evidence to support that. Those times they did not inhabit Jerusalem were directly due to ethnic cleansing. Their claim to the land is every bit as legitimate as that as the Palestinians

How is that land legitimate for "Palestinians" ? Is there such a thing as a Palestinian?

How can that be when the Koran mentions the name Israel - but never mentions the name Palestine? ...not even once.

Didn't the name Israel come from God?

Yes, it did.

So - Upon what Holy Spiritual Authority does Islam demand that Palestine be established in place of Israel?

Do Muslims fear their Allah? Or is that just another lie?

Posted by: Beth at Apr 10, 2007 2:24:08 AM

The Israelis spend their money on their country and their people. It is obvious from some of these posts that Arab/Muslim propganda has spent lots of money on advertising a false history to the world and their members of their cult-religion. It is a question of ethics and morality from both groups. And it is obvious which care more for their people.

Even Israels response to the suicide bombs, and how their people were protected during the Lebanese War (shelters, etc.) show this.

Posted by: rezasantorini at Feb 4, 2008 4:31:15 PM