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Sunday, January 23 2005Lipmann's lessonsWriting in The Spectator, Anthony Lipmann uses the 60th anniversary of the liberation of the Auschwitz death camp to compare the IDF to the Nazis: ‘What would I have done?’ I ask myself. ‘What should I be doing now? What am I doing for those being persecuted today — among them the Palestinians, who are suffering at the hands of Jews? But for a turn of fate, could I have been a Nazi too?.... UPDATE: See Mark Steyn and Caroline Glick on this Lippman article. (Hat tip: Melanie Phillips, who responds: "At any time this would be disgusting stuff. As a piece marking the liberation of Auschwitz, it is obscene.")
TrackBackTrackBack URL for this entry: Listed below are links to weblogs that reference Lipmann's lessons: CommentsLetters to the editor can be sent to: Sir, In equating the intentional genocide of Rawanda, Auschwitz, Darfur with the police action against terrorists that took place in Jenin, Anthony Lipman is guilty of blood libel. Certainly, the Israeli Army posesses the firepower to flatten Jenin and massacre the population. Certainly, it did not do so. What did occur was a series of pitched battles between heavily armed Palestinian irregulars and the Israeli Defense Forces, in which combatants on both sides died. Coupled with these battles was a meticulous, house to house search in which large volumes of munitions in the posession of terrorist organizations were found and destroyed. During these searches, the casualties were Israeli soldiers, young men who died when they attempted to search for munitions in houses that had been booby-trapped with explosives. Whatever position we take on the Middle East, we ought not to make truth one of the casualties. Fortunately, it appears that Samuel Pisar did not forget. Odd. He forgot to mention Jerusalem and all the men, women and children who were simply gunned down and blown up. Indeed, why think of them when thinking of the Nazis or of senseless murder of civilians? Far better to compare Auschwitz to the situation in Jenin, the place known to Palestinians the town of the suicide bombers, in which very few people died in 9 days of intense combat. So now we see that Harry is not the only fool in Britain. What we are witnessing from people like Lipman is the modern form of Holocaust denial. Those who compare it with the actions of a nation that it defending itself from attacks by neighbours who are intent on destroying that nation are really diminishing the horrors and the enormity of the Holocaust. As Diana says, this is truly a blood libel against the Jewish people. "But for a turn of fate, could I have been a Nazi too?.... " If we're so quick to jump on people equating Israelis with Nazis, perhaps we should not be equating those same people with Nazis themselves? First let me say how indebted we all are to Melanie Phillips on both this issue and many others she raises in connection with Israel and World Jewry. Like her I am angered by Mr Lipmann's connection between genuine atrocities in Rwanda and Darfur with Jenin where none occurred. Equally I am appalled at his ignorance of Arab aggression compared to Israeli defence. Clearly where this is not seen it is because of an unwillingness to see and not an inability. Insidious articles like these are to my mind more dangerous than the rantings of David Irving or le Pen because they are cloaked in respectability. I never would have thought of reading the Spectator and feel even less moved so to do now. What were they thinking about in allowing this article to be published? Skemono, I have no problem with equating Lipmann with the Nazis. He is no dummy. He knows what the Nazis did and he knows what happened in Jenin. I know the difference between legitimate criticism of Israel and the fomenting of hatred towards Israel. I know that at least eight assaults have been committed against Jews in Stamford Hill, north London, alone in the past month. The victims were kicked, punched and head-butted as the attackers made Nazi gestures. Last week a teenager appeared in court charged with the racially aggravated assault of a Jewish man. In another recent incident, Jewish graves were desecrated in a cemetery in Aldershot, Hampshire, for the second time in three months. This is Mr. Lipmann's wonderful country and the legacy of a media that speaks the words of hatred spread by his ilk. Ah. Perhaps you might want to contact the British police, then, and inform them about Mr. Lipmann's plans for genocide. I'm sure they'll give your comparison the attention it is due. ..."from equating Likud with the Third Reich it's just a hop, skip, and a jump to building enormous gas chambers"... Where did Jack that? Skemono. To compare Auschwitz with Jenin, Antony Lipman must haat his Mother very mutch. Did Jews ever detonate autobus with children? Did they ever take school with pupils as hostages? Did they ever grab aircraft with passengers as hostages? Did they ever exterminate somebody but for self-defense? It is utterly ridiculous to compare a nation who defends itself against groups of terrorists, who are committed to erase Israel and its inhabitants from the Middle East map (as anyone can read in their own charters), with a government who committed to destroying an entire race by a sistematic and efficient death factory complex installed in the heart of Europe. It is utterly ridiculous to compare a nation who defends itself against groups of terrorists, who are committed to erase Israel and its inhabitants from the Middle East map (as anyone can read in their own charters), with a government who committed to destroying an entire race by a sistematic and efficient death factory complex installed in the heart of Europe. I cannot understand how a 'man' born of a Jewish mother who survived the Shoa, could become an Anglica (Christian). After all we must never forget the each and every Nazi was a Chistian! Other than Hitler who was an Occultist, Hitler's command team were all bible reading Sunday Christians. I think that Jewish ecumenicism has gone overboard because we forget that although the Nazi party was socialist in name, it's religious base was Christian, and the attititude it took toward Jews was taken direclty out of the Catholic and Christian Antisemitic playbooks! Lipmann seems to have cuaght the same disease as good ole' self-loather's Bobby Fischer, and Noam Chomsky. I can't wait until these men have graves that I, as a proud Jew, can hapilly desecrate!! If I was Lipmann's mother I would excommunicate him from my family! LOL!!!! Jeffrey Levine P.S. Athough the Academy of Arts & Scieces forgot to put up "The Passion" for an Academy award, Mel Gibson's movie did receive one award... "Most viewed fiction feature in a unspeakable language!" On July 13, 1942, Reserve Police Battalion 101, middle-aged draftees into the Order Police, moved out of Bilgoraj to the Polish village of Jozefow, where their commander informed them of their assignment. The battalion was given the unpleasant task of rounding up the 1,800 Jews in the village. The male Jews of working age were to be separated and taken to a work camp. The remaining Jews - the women, children, and elderly - were to be shot on the spot by the battalion. This - one of hundreds of such actions - was directed not against a military or a strategic target. Jews were hunted down because they were Jews. As were over 100 Israelis by a series of suicide bombers from Jenin in the month that preceded Israel's military action there. In the battle that followed, by Palestinian count, 56 Arabs from Jenin were killed. 23 Israelis lost their lives. The Nazis would simply have dropped a series of bombs and wiped the village off the face of the earth. But Mr. Lipman compares Israel's action to defend its citizens with the Holocaust: "When on 27 January I take my mother’s arm — tattoo number A-25466 — I will think not just of the crematoria and the cattle trucks but of Darfur, Rwanda, Zimbabwe, Jenin, Fallujah." It was a suicide bomber from Jenin who took the life of an 89 year old Holocaust survivor celebrating Passover in a Netanya hotel. Was this just a desperate attempt to free themselves from a brutal Israeli occupation? A poem in the Islamic Jihad weekly read: An extract from a sermon broadcast live on October 14, 2000 on official Palestinian Authority television by Dr. Halabiya, a salaried official of the Palestinian Authority proclaimed: "Even if an agreement of Gaza is signed - we shall not forget Haifa, and Acre, and the Galilee, and Jaffa, and the Triangle and the Negev, and the rest of our cities and villages … Have no mercy on the Jews, no matter where they are, in any country. Fight them, wherever you are. Wherever you meet them, kill them. Wherever you are, kill those Jews and those Americans who are like them and those who stand by them … Similar such sermons are (hopefully were) broadcast weekly on Palestinian official TV. The lesson Mr. Lipman draws from the Holocaust is that we should preserve our humanity. After all his grandmother corresponded with the German lady who had befriended her outside the gates of Salzwedel, thereby not losing their humanity. That this lady expressed her humanity only after American tanks freed his mother and grandmother, seems to have escaped his attention. Until such time as the Palestinians choose the path of negotiation, until they choose the path of humanity, perhaps I could be forgiven for preferring to rely on Israeli tanks - or even an Israeli fence - to preserve my children's and other Jewish lives. And may God save us from the obscenity of Mr. Lipman's "humanity". And shame on "The Spectator" for choosing Holocaust memorial day to give voice to such obscenitites. Can anything positive come out of this anti-Semitic rubbish published by a mainstream news outlet? The confused Jew who wrote this article is here to remind everyone that the Holocaust was not an isolated event that happened way long ago in Jewish history. The struggle of the Jewish people against continuous Arab aggression in Israel is fueled by the same hate that killed 6 million Jews in Europe not so long ago. Too many people fail to see this connection. Not one of the prevous comments mention the equally incorrect comparison of Fallujah to the Holocast. In Fallujah, just as in Jenin, Arab terrorists and murderers died in armed combat. The stated positions would be more widely supported if they were were not so provincial in citing only the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. The wonderful article of Melanie Phillips cited above responds to the inclusion by Herr Lipmann of Fallujah. I wonder why he ommitted Cambodia where millions of innocent civilians died but mentioned Jenin and Fallujah where the majority of the dead were combatants. Perhaps his dear old mum was a Chomskyite? How tragically ironic to think that Mrs Lipmann survived the nazis -- whose hate-filled hearts twisted them into travesties of human beings -- and, having survived them and emerged victorious with her life -- spawned their philospohical successor. 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